Monday, June 27, 2005

A Preview?

Check out today's DOD briefing. It's the Americans at home who are "disconnected" with respect to the violence in Iraq, not the White House.
Q General Casey, what's your view of statements like the one Senator Kennedy made, that seem to suggest that the United States has already lost in Iraq and should pull out as quickly as possible to avoid any unnecessary further American casualties? And what effect do statements like that have on the troops and the difficulty of the job they have to do?

GEN. CASEY: I think I responded to Senator Kennedy's comment about quagmired at the hearing. Obviously, I don't agree with the statement that the United States is losing in Iraq nor that we are getting into a quagmire.

I'm sorry, second part?

Q What impact do such statements have on the troops --

GEN. CASEY: Thank you.

Q -- and the difficulty of the job they have to do?

GEN. CASEY: Yeah. I went around to visit all the division commanders just prior to coming back and asked them, one, how's the situation, how are things going? And to a person, they all responded that this is moving in the right direction in their areas. Then I asked them did they have enough troops to do what they needed to do. And to a person, they all said they had what they needed to get the job done.

So, we're kind of scratching our heads, and the troops are kind of scratching their heads, wondering why there's such a large disconnect between what they are seeing on the ground every day and statements like that back here, because they're just not connected.

Can you fucking believe this spin? If that's what Bush is going to say tomorrow night...that Americans are the ones disconnected from reality when it comes to Iraq .... I predict approval ratings in low 30s by July 4th, impeachment hearings in September.


At 5:00 PM, Blogger Jami said...

wow. jeff gannon's back and badder than ever. how'd casey know there was a second part to that poofball?

from what i've heard, kennedy has not been talking about pulling out to minimize u.s. casualties. he said the war was going badly, and we need a more concrete plan.

this is so pure gannon. wonder who the questioner was.

At 5:35 AM, Blogger Jeff Huber said...

Once again, all spin. No talk about end states, strategies, measures of effectiveness.

Politicians in uniform, civilians running the war.


At 6:58 AM, Blogger Musmanno said...

It is a sad case of spin, as Jeff said, but I wouldn't hold out much hope for impeachment hearings. I think those who feel Bush will be impeachment are going to be disappointed.

At 7:47 AM, Blogger Jeff Huber said...

Don't know about impeachment, Scott. I think it's a matter of if America catches on to why we really went to war, and that it was "in the can" since the mid-nineties.

How will the country react?


At 8:06 AM, Blogger Musmanno said...

Unless there is dramatic improvement over the remainder of the Bush's term, people will react by continuing to give Bush lower and lower approval numbers. This effect 'might' attach to the mid-term Congressional elections, but I'm not yet convinced that it will as these elections are often insulated from Presidential politics (though historically they go against the party in the White House).

Impeachment isn't going to be an issue without a radical change in the House, where you've currently got 231 Republicans. There simply isn't going to be support for impeachment, nor should there be at this point. The GOP impeachment of Clinton was a farce, and getting into a tit-for-tat situation where each party tries to impeach the other in turn would be even more of a farce.

If one could demonstrate with adequate proof that Bush knew the pretexts for the war were false (i.e. he knew there were no WMDs), and yet pushed it anyway, I would support impeachment, though I'm still not certain you'd be able to get the support you need in Congress.

The only question that remains is whether Bush's numbers by the end of his term (which could change a great deal either up or down, since the public is quite fickle), will negatively impact the next GOP nominee. This depends on two things:

1) perhaps most importantly - who the nominee is. Someone like McCain would be unlikely to be harmed at all by Bush's numbers. Someone closer to the admin likely would be harmed; and

2) to a lesser extent, who the Democrats run and what their ideas are.

At 8:06 AM, Blogger Capitola said...

Hi all--

Yeah, I know, impeachment probably isn't feasible, not with a republican controlled government, but come 06 and a few seats won in the house and senate.... a girl can dream can't she?!

If not impeachment, then I'll settle for millions of Americans storming 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue and demanding Bush's resignation. I'd like to see him go down like Nixon. That'd be goooooooood.

At 8:08 AM, Blogger Musmanno said...

Hey Cap - I think if someone could show unequivocal proof of lies (and by that term I imply subjective knowledge) to get us into the war, you might be able to push impeachment. If someone demonstrates that, I'll march with you to 1600 Pennsylvania - just pick me up on your way through KC.

At 8:20 AM, Blogger Jeff Huber said...

Lots of dots to connect. I'm pretty much convinced of the oil and bases theory--the policy/strategy the PNAC cooked up in the nineties.

Based on what I've researched on the neo-con movement, their long term goal seems to have been to create an America that's a theocratic oligarchy disguised by a thin veneer of a republic, and kept in a perpetual state of war to maintain the power of those at the top.


At 8:21 AM, Blogger Capitola said...

Hi Scott--

You got it! The Downing Street Minutes are our best hope. The WSJ (of all places) lays out a very good case today, showing that the Minutes are finally breaking into public consciousness. I wonder if Bush will address them tonight? Nah. I imagine we'll get plenty of "Freedom's on the march" "Democracy's hard work" "we're turning the corner" something about "evil doers" --

I'd suggest a drinking game but with Bush's speech predictability, we'll all be ripped in the first 15 minutes!

At 8:28 AM, Blogger Musmanno said...

The speech is going to be 1) things are so bad; and 2) it hurts our troops if you think things are bad, so don't think it.

I figure that will be the gist of it. The drinking game would be fun (I've got a nice single malt scotch) but would have to be handled via phone :)

At 9:04 AM, Blogger Musmanno said...


The hardest thing to overcome in terms of proof of knowledge of falsity of the WMD claims are the same claims made going back into the previous admin. It makes it look a lot more like everyone thought they were there, even though there is no doubt the Bush admin used the info as an excuse. Even Hans Blix once said in an interview that everyone thought they had them.

At 1:17 PM, Blogger Jeff Huber said...

When you hear, the tootin' of the whistle
It's Casey at the throttle of the Pentagon express.



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